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Title: NullDCe apk
Post by: mihai on August 31, 2012, 10:07:36 AM
Ok so i finally found that nulldce leaked apk or whatever and i wanted to post it here so everyone can get it.

EDIT: LINK REMOVED, Official website: http://reicast.com/
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: MCED on August 31, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
Thanks man, at first i think that was fake until i open the archive
Ps:I love read that readme file :D
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mihai on August 31, 2012, 12:28:17 PM
yeah i got the link from another site. can someone test it on high end devices so we can see the maximum power of this emu?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: kkaalldd on August 31, 2012, 02:20:31 PM
Thank you
I've tried Shenmue
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Sabi96 on August 31, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
Hello, new here. I have the emulator for a week now, and it's working on Mini pro well, except that i can't get very far, becuase the buttons rearrange, and get out of reach.

Is there any developere here who is able to change the resolution or layout of the buttons, or stop the buttons from setting up their aspect ratio out of the screen?

Btw has anybody tried sonic adventure 2?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on August 31, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
There are a couple of ways I can think of to possibly hack the app to do this, but I wouldn't have time for this for a few weeks.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 02:21:09 AM
Good share. Runs Shenmue full speed but crashes after intro FMV. Its astonishing to see DC run that well on a phone. Crashes or not. Lots of graphical glitches too but still, wow. I always thought it was a hoax
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on September 01, 2012, 04:30:38 AM
Hey for crazy taxi, of you go to options the control settings with to "b" and the buttons are not out of reach.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mihai on September 01, 2012, 08:04:15 AM
Well i tested this on my galaxy ace (armv6), and it was just black screen and force close. So no way it will run on armv6. Not that i had any hopes, anyway...
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on September 01, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
I've tried Jet Set Radio and sadly it crashes the emulator... However, Powerstone worked almost beautifully, the on screen buttons feel very off though...
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on September 01, 2012, 10:43:39 AM
So crazy taxi is 100% speed for me. This app is nearly 2 years old and it runs this good...had someone invested time into it would be full speed.

Try this copy of the .apk (will most likely have to uninstall the current version)

This is  hacked to make the controls better (moved to corners and better aligned)

I have been real busy but if it is possible to extract the source from a .apk file. Im going to try following a tutorial I found online but if anyone here does it before me that would be appreciated  :)

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 11:21:04 AM
Where is it trev? I see no link
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Sabi96 on September 01, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
So crazy taxi is 100% speed for me. This app is nearly 2 years old and it runs this good...had someone invested time into it would be full speed.

Try this copy of the .apk (will most likely have to uninstall the current version)

This is  hacked to make the controls better (moved to corners and better aligned)

I have been real busy but if it is possible to extract the source from a .apk file. Im going to try following a tutorial I found online but if anyone here does it before me that would be appreciated  :)

Could you please give a link? i'l love to give it a try
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on September 01, 2012, 11:39:40 AM
The link is the first comment everyone. By the generous user named mihai.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 11:52:23 AM
Trev said he has a hacked version. That's the one we are after
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on September 01, 2012, 11:54:19 AM
WAIT WHAT?! When?! that's fast!!!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 11:59:36 AM
I'd bet drk|raziel had it released. Doesn't make sense that it would be around for 2 years and no leak until now. He was probably waiting for devices to catch up. Now that we have dual and quad core devices he may have decided to continue working on it.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
I changed the .cfg file to .txt and had a look-see in a text editor and this is what I found

 ;; nullDC config file;;
[nullDC]
Dynarec.DoConstantPropagation=1
Dynarec.UnderclockFpu=0
Dreamcast.Cable=3
Dreamcast.RTC=1977735855
Emulator.AutoStart=0
Emulator.NoConsole=0
Dynarec.Enabled=1

[drkpvr]
Emulation.AlphaSortMode=1
Emulation.PaletteMode=1
Emulation.ModVolMode=1
Emulation.ZBufferMode=0
OSD.ShowFPS=0
OSD.ShowStats=0
Fullscreen.Enabled=0
Fullscreen.Res_X=-1
Fullscreen.Res_Y=-1
Fullscreen.Refresh_Rate=-1
Enhancements.MultiSampleCount=0
Enhancements.MultiSampleQuality=0
Enhancements.AspectRatioMode=1

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
Wonder what value enables different palettes? Or if they are even in this build at all...maybe that would help graphical glitches. Also what value enables FPS to be shown? My GPU skins the graphics fast and well but I have noticed that there's a lot of purple wirey triangles in a lot of 3D models, especially in Shenmue. Do all GPU's do that? Or just Adreno?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on September 01, 2012, 12:21:14 PM
EDIT: LINK REMOVED, Official website: http://reicast.com/

I believe this is the hacked .apk sorry for the confusion tried to upload it previously
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 12:32:05 PM
EDIT: LINK REMOVED, Official website: http://reicast.com/

I believe this is the hacked .apk sorry for the confusion tried to upload it previously


I see no gamepad at all in landscape with this version.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
Jesus! Android is getting all kinds of emulators. ePSXe, the famous PC ps1 emulator, was ported to Android a few days ago. It has awesome compatibility and sound. Its in Google Play if interested. I would post a pirated version but I don't know if I can post illegal wares.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: scorpio16v on September 01, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
Ah, the gamepad is much better in this version on SGS 3. The pad is now complete at the lower bottom. If you can't see it, your device has maybe a lower resolution.
It's technical the same version. The other, included the bios and crazy taxi, is only the test version for HVGA devices.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Sabi96 on September 01, 2012, 01:06:10 PM
for HVGA!?! i have hvga, and when i turn on any game, my gamepad ends up shifting a few buttons out of reach.
Should I make a video for proof?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: scorpio16v on September 01, 2012, 01:17:25 PM
Sorry, yes you're right. You've said in the other forum, it needs to be hacked to HVGA.  ;)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Sabi96 on September 01, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
that's it, the hacked version didn't help either, i didn't get a gamepad at all. I'll wait for another version, or simply try again
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mfunnyman on September 01, 2012, 01:57:20 PM
dous someone know how to boot other games in this been trying dead or alive 2 but i keep gowing to the menu with the clock and so
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
The .gdi of the new game has to be named game.gdi so remember that.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on September 01, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Jesus! Android is getting all kinds of emulators. ePSXe, the famous PC ps1 emulator, was ported to Android a few days ago. It has awesome compatibility and sound. Its in Google Play if interested. I would post a pirated version but I don't know if I can post illegal wares.

Please no pirated APKs here.  I'm a little on the fence about hacked NullDCe APKs.  I'm allowing it for now since someone else already leaked the thing (but I'll remove these links if drk asks me to).
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on September 01, 2012, 02:48:53 PM
Will someone try this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3593420/android-getting-source-code-from-an-apk-file

I would but I am way to into FFX on my phone right now....been replaying through it all weekend on Kainy (streaming ps2 emulator to my cell phone)

The above link demonstrates how to get source packages froma  completed .apk file...not sure if it will work but worth a shot...I dont think the NULLDC team takes this overly serious...and well now that someone has gone and leaked their beta all over the net might as well see if someone can get the source.

For the record I think it would be best if they continued what they started and would prefer to spend money for a NULLdc team created android port aside from any other dev....but for whatever reason this project has been delayed for almost 2 years..

I remember when they first showed test videos for this on you tube...they were running it off a Nexus one. Dual core phones were still just a rumor.

Now we have 4x the cores, 4 x the rams and much better GPUs....but sadly it runs the same now as it did then because no development was made...Look at the Yabause and Saturn.eMu apps. More work has been put into them by both Paul and Explusalpha and they still do not run as decent as this ancient dreamcast alpha...

Ironically dreamcast can run better on Android because it is easier to emulate than a saturn but the Yabause team has helped in the development and hence why we have some great beta builds for Yasbause....


I for one would have donated more $1,000 to see NullDC on Android and would still do the same if they completed it.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 01, 2012, 02:54:50 PM
NullDC doesn't run like it used to, not speed wise anyway. First time I seen it was on SGS running Shenmue. My devices all run it over double that speed
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on September 01, 2012, 03:07:01 PM
Trev, that's more or less the process I've used in the past to decompile APKs to make custom changes for my phone.  Note that you only end up with the Java code, XML, and resources (so in this case the front-end, layouts, images, etc).  You do not get the native code, which is the whole emulator really (so I can't get the dynarec, which is the one piece I'd need to start a DC emulator project myself).  The native binaries can be repackaged into the modified APK (this is what the publishers of N64oid ripoffs did before they had my open-source project to branch).  But it prevents any modifications to those binaries, so the emulator would be stuck where its at now as far as base compatibility.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on September 02, 2012, 04:16:58 AM
Not working on HTC one x somebody knows why?  As soon as I press start I get the message unfortaintly nulldc stopped working
Just looked at logcat getting a gl2.iniview error does this means tegra uses a different way of opengl window
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on September 05, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
Not working on HTC one x somebody knows why?  As soon as I press start I get the message unfortaintly nulldc stopped working
Just looked at logcat getting a gl2.iniview error does this means tegra uses a different way of opengl window

It more or less means that the alpha has pos quality and it's a miracle that it works on more than a couple devices.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on September 05, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
It more or less means that the alpha has pos quality and it's a miracle that it works on more than a couple devices.

Hey, PsyMan!  It is an honor to have you registered on my forum.  I hope this particular thread doesn't give you a bad first impression of the community here.  We're not about hacking apps or distributing copyright content (I think people are just gnawing at the bit for an Android DC emulator, so stuff like this can get blown a little out of proportion).

I mentioned this elsewhere, but when I start my Android DC emulator will likely be based on LXDream, not NullDCe (unless drk happens to open the source for his app before then).  I think long term, this will have little effect on either project to be honest.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on September 05, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
Hey, PsyMan!  It is an honor to have you registered on my forum.  I hope this particular thread doesn't give you a bad first impression of the community here.  We're not about hacking apps or distributing copyright content (I think people are just gnawing at the bit for an Android DC emulator, so stuff like this can get blown a little out of proportion).

I mentioned this elsewhere, but when I start my Android DC emulator will likely be based on LXDream, not NullDCe (unless drk happens to open the source for his app before then).  I think long term, this will have little effect on either project to be honest.

Yeah, saw the fuss here and went like "what the heck, lemme just hop in", so here I am.

Regarding the leak, whatever happened happened already. It's not like we can do anything (apart from suing the one who leaked the thing... ok, we're not that mean actually :p). Sharing the thing around isn't a problem since it's out already, just remember that this sort of crappiness is not what we had in mind when it comes to releasing the thing (it has no similarities to current builds internally, apart maybe from the ui code).

The thing with nulldc is that almost no one touched the code to fix it since it went open. Opening a project just to have some people port it here and there is unacceptable for me. Ports can be coded in just a few days from someone familiar with the code (if the code itself is portable, unlike the current mainline). There's no meaning in opening a project if you're the one actually doing all the critical work on it.

Good luck with your DC emulator, but lemme warn you, if you're planning to port LXDream on its current state be ready to do some serious optimizations and rewrites to various of its parts if you want to compete with "similar software". Drk isn't kidding when it comes to efficient code.  :P
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on September 05, 2012, 03:19:48 PM
Good luck with your DC emulator, but lemme warn you, if you're planning to port LXDream on its current state be ready to do some serious optimizations and rewrites to various of its parts if you want to compete with "similar software". Drk isn't kidding when it comes to efficient code.  :P

Haha, thanks I figured as much.  I actually prefer the way the NullDC source is arranged and would start with the main repository if I were more versed in ARM assembly to be able to port the x86 bits (obviously that code base isn't as optimized as NullDCe anyway).  My perspective is if I can get a few devs excited about the project, I have no doubt that the optimizations will happen eventually (obviously I'll be working on the code myself as well).  I have similar work moving forward with my other emulator ports to Android.  Optimization on mobile devices is definitely a huge thing, and something I look forward to gaining experience in through these projects.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on September 05, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
Not working on HTC one x somebody knows why?  As soon as I press start I get the message unfortaintly nulldc stopped working
Just looked at logcat getting a gl2.iniview error does this means tegra uses a different way of opengl window

It more or less means that the alpha has pos quality and it's a miracle that it works on more than a couple devices.

Great to see someone from the "official" team. Is there any eta for a real public beta? And can people apply to be a tester?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on September 05, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
Great to see someone from the "official" team. Is there any eta for a real public beta? And can people apply to be a tester?

No public beta after the leak fiasco. Tests will be handled internally. Nothing will change that so here's a message to all who want to ask: Please don't ask related questions again (it's not gonna change anything even if you do).

Regarding the release, it's done when it's done. If it's not out it means that it's not ready to get out yet. I know that it is annoying to be treated with the same reply over and over again but I can't answer to questions I don't know myself.
Under no circumstances shall we release something below our expectations again. It happened in the past and it backfired. Better to keep some people unsatisfied for a while than all people unsatisfied in the end.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on September 05, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
I am also one who likes to take pride in my work, so I can understand holding onto the app until it is perfect.  I had similar situation with my SoundSystem library, where there was a huge gap of time before I released the first build that had the standardized plug-in interface.  People were hounding me constantly for an update, but I just didn't feel it was ready until it was ready.  Ultimately it was worth the wait, and I got overwhelmingly positive feedback from the devs who were using the library.  It is still an accomplishment I take a great deal of pride in.

Mupen64Plus AE has really been my first experience with releasing source code and binaries virtually real-time right out of the gate.  One thing I have learned from that, however, is that there are a LOT of people who are willing to donate to projects they believe in, and Google Play is a potential gold mine for innovators.  Mupen64Plus AE earned over $30,000 in donations over the four months I had the donation version published on Google Play (before that Chinese idiot showed up and had the app booted off).  The emulator was (and still is) far from perfect, but people are intelligent enough to see potential.  That money was a major driving force into creating a large community of supporters, getting other devs involved, and contributing back to the various projects and developers on which the app was based.  It's something drk really should be aware of if he isn't.  Many, many people are eager and willing to help out, even if they don't have any skills and can only contribute financially.  And that in turn can be a huge motivator to drive development forward and generate excitement about a project.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on September 05, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
I am also one who likes to take pride in my work, so I can understand holding onto the app until it is perfect.  I had similar situation with my SoundSystem library, where there was a huge gap of time before I released the first build that had the standardized plug-in interface.  People were hounding me constantly for an update, but I just didn't feel it was ready until it was ready.  Ultimately it was worth the wait, and I got overwhelmingly positive feedback from the devs who were using the library.  It is still an accomplishment I take a great deal of pride in.

Mupen64Plus AE has really been my first experience with releasing source code and binaries virtually real-time right out of the gate.  One thing I have learned from that, however, is that there are a LOT of people who are willing to donate to projects they believe in, and Google Play is a potential gold mine for innovators.  Mupen64Plus AE earned over $30,000 in donations over the four months I had the donation version published on Google Play (before that Chinese idiot showed up and had the app booted off).  The emulator was (and still is) far from perfect, but people are intelligent enough to see potential.  That money was a major driving force into creating a large community of supporters, getting other devs involved, and contributing back to the various projects and developers on which the app was based.  It's something drk really should be aware of if he isn't.  Many, many people are eager and willing to help out, even if they don't have any skills and can only contribute financially.  And that in turn can be a huge motivator to drive development forward and generate excitement about a project.

Yeah projects of this kind tend to draw people's attention. Getting support is a good thing and we are aware of the possibilities, good and bad ones. Some will support, others will pirate and others will blatantly steal your work and present it like their own. It happens, all you can do is to move on and hope for the best.

Anyway, just to make the difference between the crappy pre-alpha and the more recent builds more clear here's a teaser video, just to have people know of what to expect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzzTFLv8zv8
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on September 05, 2012, 05:44:30 PM
Very happy to hear you guys are still working on this !

I could wait another 2 years no sweat knowing progress is being made !
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on September 07, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
PsyMan thanks for the video, I thought from all the research and negativity, that the project was never gonna happen... Now that I see this I feel foolish to believe all the Youtubers rumors that Drk just sends "smoke". I realize now that they were impatience and ridiculous! I am very happy to see that I wasn't wrong, and now I have some payback to give (lol). Thanks and like Trev, I can happily wait knowing for sure this will happen.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Sabi96 on September 07, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
I am kinda relived that the project is still on. The speed won't bother me, so all I need to know if it will be able to run on HVGA phones. Do you know anything?

I'm not asking for a release, or a release date, it comes out when it comes out, you can't blame me for finding the alpha build, I only saw it on youtube, I didn't do anything wrong.

and the video is awesome progress from the last video, plz keep the emulator development going and keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: archangeles on September 10, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
i'll admit, playing power stone on my Xperia play has got me pumped (with gamekeyboard of course) , i bust it out on the bus ride to work at the end of the day and at my lunch break, and at home trusty sixaxsis on the old SGS3 to play it faster and on a bigger screen must say...epic..., I also ran MVC2 and it runs slow, but it runs!!! can't wait for the official release, with the blessing of the original team!!! wooo!!!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jose325i on September 16, 2012, 01:10:47 PM
I am trying to test out different .gdi games but so far I just get a blank white screen after the dreamcast logo...I have tried Rez, Sonic Adventure 2 demo, and Bust-a-move 4 with the same result. Only crazy taxi works so far...I have an htc one s and it runs at full speed on the "crazy box" mode. Regular mode is pretty slow, but still cool. Maybe I need to try changing to US bios.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on September 16, 2012, 03:36:46 PM
I would not waste much time testing this build....it is nearly 2 years old and will never be full speed in its current form...plus nulldc team are still.working on the android port in house and they are using a much better version so your tests done on an outdated alpha will not benefit anyone.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jose325i on September 17, 2012, 09:20:49 PM
Well nobody has a newer build so I'm just messing with what I have just for fun...this alpha version can run at full speed on my phone, as long as not much stuff is going on like in arcade mode with moving objects and animations everywhere. I think this version would perform well with the tony hawk games if it could boot them. I will try it out and report back.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on September 21, 2012, 10:43:32 AM
I wonder where we can donate to the project.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: natedogg20050 on September 30, 2012, 07:20:05 AM
Hey Paul i am Back , i helped you test the emulator for N64 on my old phone.

now i got a Samsung Galaxy S2G with 1,35 GHZ and GPU Clocked to 400

I tryed this emulator Bios running at full speed , game Crazy Taxi runs ok and this for a Alpha Version

** Edit: Sonic Adventure 2 dosnt boot , Star Wars Racing boots stuck at the loading screen , Dead or Alive 2 works good with many graphic errors.

* Sonic Advanture 1 - Runs Fine on Menu Screen even at full speed when it goes into in game it hangs some where at the beginnig , i try to fix that with a savegame
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: devinator12 on October 09, 2012, 01:48:02 AM
Hey there Forums and the developers of the NullDCe project. I have  a small question.

Where can i donate to your project? I've donated to various kickstarter projects.

Anyhow nice job and I can't wait till you guys release a kick ass release!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: xperia64 on October 09, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
We are not the developers of NullDCe. We simply have a compatibility/general discussion about NullDCe. However, I believe that PsyMan might be able to answer your question.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jose325i on October 11, 2012, 12:52:03 AM
I was just experimenting and found a way to play sonic adventure. It normally crashes in the intro cutscene, leaving the game unplayable.

There is a gdi floating around the internet of the e3 demo version. It has all players unlocked and after the player select screen,it goes directly to a stage select screen.

Performance wise, the game is very playable, faster than crazy taxi. However, apparently nulldce alpha does not have a joystick input. The input on the top left is actually only a dpad input, so it is impossible to advance much in the levels because dpad is a camera control only in this game. You are limited to aimlessly spin dashing and using homing attacks! I will put up a youtube video this weekend!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on October 18, 2012, 11:50:48 PM
Thats cool to know, thought id add Wetrix+ works with with little to no glitches
im on a xperia play so obviously it ran slow id say the timer counts down the similar speed as crazy taxi(1sec=4-6sec) maybe slightly faster, a stronger phone is probably playable(I still play a level every now and then just to see it working) The N64 version runs too fast on mobiles so this is nice to look foward to playing on the go.

Good luck with future progress.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on October 25, 2012, 01:09:30 PM
I was just experimenting and found a way to play sonic adventure. It normally crashes in the intro cutscene, leaving the game unplayable.

There is a gdi floating around the internet of the e3 demo version. It has all players unlocked and after the player select screen,it goes directly to a stage select screen.

Performance wise, the game is very playable, faster than crazy taxi. However, apparently nulldce alpha does not have a joystick input. The input on the top left is actually only a dpad input, so it is impossible to advance much in the levels because dpad is a camera control only in this game. You are limited to aimlessly spin dashing and using homing attacks! I will put up a youtube video this weekend!

Or you could just wait until this is done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbqo9AXjU8

Then the particular game would actually be ehm... playable?

Just be patient until we're done with the remaining issues and such.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on October 25, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
I was just experimenting and found a way to play sonic adventure. It normally crashes in the intro cutscene, leaving the game unplayable.

There is a gdi floating around the internet of the e3 demo version. It has all players unlocked and after the player select screen,it goes directly to a stage select screen.

Performance wise, the game is very playable, faster than crazy taxi. However, apparently nulldce alpha does not have a joystick input. The input on the top left is actually only a dpad input, so it is impossible to advance much in the levels because dpad is a camera control only in this game. You are limited to aimlessly spin dashing and using homing attacks! I will put up a youtube video this weekend!

Or you could just wait until this is done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbqo9AXjU8

Then the particular game would actually be ehm... playable?

Just be patient until we're done with the remaining issues and such.

Psyman I love u and the rest of your team......
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: shuy3n on October 26, 2012, 12:38:10 PM
I was just experimenting and found a way to play sonic adventure. It normally crashes in the intro cutscene, leaving the game unplayable.

There is a gdi floating around the internet of the e3 demo version. It has all players unlocked and after the player select screen,it goes directly to a stage select screen.

Performance wise, the game is very playable, faster than crazy taxi. However, apparently nulldce alpha does not have a joystick input. The input on the top left is actually only a dpad input, so it is impossible to advance much in the levels because dpad is a camera control only in this game. You are limited to aimlessly spin dashing and using homing attacks! I will put up a youtube video this weekend!

Or you could just wait until this is done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbqo9AXjU8

Then the particular game would actually be ehm... playable?

Just be patient until we're done with the remaining issues and such.

i gotta ask will this have any sort of vmu emulator support
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: supream222 on October 27, 2012, 02:39:21 PM
Hey psyman, the emu looks great! Is there an official webpage for it or shall we just wait for it to pop up on google play?
Thanks!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jose325i on November 02, 2012, 12:29:10 AM
Or you could just wait until this is done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbqo9AXjU8

Then the particular game would actually be ehm... playable?

Just be patient until we're done with the remaining issues and such.

That is epic stuff! Nice to see that it is running so nicely even with the lighting effects, shadows, and sound all sorted out too! Even the intro videos play! I also noticed that saving/loading game appears to be working. So is it going to be called droidcast now? Very nice progress! :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: shaddam on November 24, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
This is looking great, hope it's going well paul!

-gav
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: archangeles on December 14, 2012, 09:45:26 PM
Any word, or better yet words on this epic endeavor?
I got MVC2 playing, goes super slow and at the beginning of the fight the screen goes blue and gets stuck, but everything else is good graphic wise
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: nwbballplayer45 on January 07, 2013, 08:52:44 PM
Damn this thread hasn't seen the light of day in awhile. Surprised there hasn't been any updates since Psy posted the second YouTube link. Anyone heard of any news concerning the progress of the emulator?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on January 09, 2013, 03:29:40 AM
Nope, haven't heard any news... oh wait! Well yeah, nothing important to say yet.

I will give a status update when there will be something important to be said. This might take a few days, or weeks, or months, or ehm... hopefully not years.

I remember more or less saying the same thing a few months ago but it didn't stop people from asking for an update. Oh well.  :-\
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: supream222 on January 09, 2013, 08:08:57 AM
cool, thanks for the update psyman, no rush, an endevor like this should be handled with care and time. I can't wait to see the finished product! I'm sure it will be one of the more popular emulators available.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: nwbballplayer45 on January 12, 2013, 11:19:40 AM
I completely understand and thank you for the update Psy. Good luck with the emulator and everything else you may be working on :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mrjaredbeta on January 13, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
Yeah, so people: ASKING UPON ASKING WILL NOT HELP DEVELOPMENT. ONLY TIME WILL.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: shuy3n on January 13, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
Quote
Yeah, so people: ASKING UPON ASKING WILL NOT HELP DEVELOPMENT. ONLY TIME WILL.

This attitude toward a community disgruntles me somewhat & I'll tell you why.

Because surely it wont hinder it either? & people wanting something that someone is spending their spare time creating has to be a big motivation and bring satisfaction.

Imagine plummeting that much time into something and no-one cared.

I think everyone know's it will be done when it's done it's just nice to check if the project is still breathing from time to time.


Maybe that's just my opinion and i do usually have a pretty sunny disposition
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: littleguy on January 13, 2013, 10:24:49 PM
Hehe.  Yep an interested base of users is definitely motivating.  Works for me  ;D
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mrjaredbeta on January 14, 2013, 08:11:30 PM
Shuy3n, I said it because of this:

"Regarding the release, it's done when it's done. If it's not out it means that it's not ready to get out yet. I know that it is annoying to be treated with the same reply over and over again but I can't answer to questions I don't know myself."

He will answer when he is ready, he just isn't ready yet. They are both taking their time on the release which is a great thing, they will announce news when they have news (like the Youtube videos). Didn't mean for it to be disgruntling.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: archangeles on January 18, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
i agree!!!! its not that i want it to be released without the blessing of its dev; so much as an occasional update that its still in the works would bring satisfaction to my restless internet connection.

Side not: did i use the semi-colon correctly up there?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: shuy3n on January 18, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Shuy3n, I said it because of this:

"Regarding the release, it's done when it's done. If it's not out it means that it's not ready to get out yet. I know that it is annoying to be treated with the same reply over and over again but I can't answer to questions I don't know myself."

He will answer when he is ready, he just isn't ready yet. They are both taking their time on the release which is a great thing, they will announce news when they have news (like the Youtube videos). Didn't mean for it to be disgruntling.

I Understand the thought behind why some devs and community PR type mod people just my thought process is just stay silent and slowly treacle info when they have it as people asking about it are doing some free PR really, i mean i kind forgot about the DC emu until this thread was resurrected :P

I'm sure Valve would like to slap every one who ask's about hl3 every 5 minutes of the day :P
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Naruto on January 22, 2013, 02:32:36 PM
Forgive if i sound "dumb" or "greedy" but i dont see why the person in charge of this can't just give the public the latest version they have of now and tell people dont expect any updates any time soon. Ever since the nulldc was leaked, people were thrilled but also wanted more. Now we have 2 videos of the "unknown" emulator running Sonic Adventure and Tony Hawk at a decent speed and your saying thats not done. I'm pretty sure no one really cares if its finish or not, and its very likely that it never will just like every other emulator on the market.

So if the owner just released the "decent speed" build, a lot of people will stop complaining...
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mrjaredbeta on January 22, 2013, 09:44:44 PM
I'm sure Valve would like to slap every one who ask's about hl3 every 5 minutes of the day :P

True, true.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on January 24, 2013, 09:18:03 AM
So if the owner just released the "decent speed" build, a lot of people will stop complaining...

Flawless logic.
Too bad that it doesn't work in practice because the thing has lots of unfinished experimental lines of code that make it crash within 30 to 120 seconds.
Of course we could take the experimental stuff out and let you toy with the stable build. Oh wait, someone already leaked that! :P
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on January 24, 2013, 10:13:16 AM
Well, I can only think about example of "experimenting" model, which is ppsspp emu, it crashes in 90%, some titles are getting 5fps, Qualcomm soc's not supported, but that doesn't stop devs of releasing it on a market and provide donation version priced 4, and people seems happy about it, also you can easily look to the GitHub and see changes and updates, I've spend 3 buying ds emu even it gets 1fps on quadcore and I don't regret it. I think that nulldc alpha was leaked because everyone thought that project is dead, including that tester, and I was seeing ppl was very happy about that alpha as there was no news about nulldc at all, everyone thought Raz dropped project completely. You guys choosed unusual model, where is word conspiracy is the main word. Like other say you have couple of videos on YouTube and PsyMan replying once a year on this forums. That's fine, all I can say take your time, if that's how you wish to do that, but why not take a desicion and get it as experimenting donation version on google play, sure it will have glitches sure it may crash, but I don't have a problem with that, that's a emulator, that's completely normal..
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Naruto on January 25, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
Why not just release this build:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbqo9AXjU8&feature=player_embedded#!

Your playing Sonic Adventure at a decent playable speed. People are willing to pay, even up to 20$ (Youtube commenter).

Your team is trying to make money by posting a N64 emulator for a price, yet you have a product right here that people want. The public has n64oid 2.7 that, no offense, is better than Mupen64. Even though its months old and in hiatus, its superior compared to Mupen64 +AE and also Free.


Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: xperia64 on January 25, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
You seem to be confused. The NullDCE/droidcast team is not affiliated at all with the Mupen64plus team. And Mupen64plus AE is available free here: http://www.paulscode.com/forum/index.php?topic=96.0 and here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=paulscode.android.mupen64plus.free
The donation is optional.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Evil King Stan on January 25, 2013, 05:20:40 PM
Also N64oid is a paid app. If you got it for free it's pirated.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on January 25, 2013, 05:23:06 PM
And last I checked N64oid is not free unless you're downloading a pirated copy.  You kind of just proved PsyMan's point with your post -- you'd rater have something that works (N64oid) rather than a work-in-progress Beta Mupen64Plus AE) :P
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on January 25, 2013, 05:59:37 PM
n64oid was free for about 4 weeks, after he was kicked off the martket he let it go for free because people who already bought it wanted updates, it was on the slideme market.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on January 25, 2013, 06:03:45 PM
True.  Yongzh is a pretty decent guy.  I'm still holding out hope that he'll release the source code once he finishes whatever emulator he's working on next.  :D
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: frankiefrank on January 25, 2013, 08:41:53 PM
Why not just release this build:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbqo9AXjU8&feature=player_embedded#!

Your playing Sonic Adventure at a decent playable speed. People are willing to pay, even up to 20$ (Youtube commenter).

Your team is trying to make money by posting a N64 emulator for a price, yet you have a product right here that people want. The public has n64oid 2.7 that, no offense, is better than Mupen64. Even though its months old and in hiatus, its superior compared to Mupen64 +AE and also Free.

http://gifsound.com/?gif=http%3A%2F%2Fi.nahraj.to%2Ff%2F13j.jpg&sound=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuLpRVZkiuAc&start=6 (http://gifsound.com/?gif=http%3A%2F%2Fi.nahraj.to%2Ff%2F13j.jpg&sound=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuLpRVZkiuAc&start=6)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on January 26, 2013, 10:40:47 AM
Even if paul was incharge of it what gives u the right to rush them .
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on January 26, 2013, 10:46:48 AM
Im interestsed to know what Yonghz is working on if any :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Evil King Stan on January 26, 2013, 11:15:27 AM
I am too. It looks like he's also taken down all his other emulators except n64oid.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: DJM on January 29, 2013, 12:31:12 AM
PsyMan, this looks simply incredible, I thought it wasn't possible to emulate a Dreamcast at decent speed on current Android smartphones but it looked like you proved me totally wrong: this thing seems already "full speed" and Sonic Adventure is near perfect on the video! Can't wait for the release, keep up the awesome work man!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: archangeles on February 03, 2013, 01:57:06 AM
So if the owner just released the "decent speed" build, a lot of people will stop complaining...

Flawless logic.
Too bad that it doesn't work in practice because the thing has lots of unfinished experimental lines of code that make it crash within 30 to 120 seconds.
Of course we could take the experimental stuff out and let you toy with the stable build. Oh wait, someone already leaked that! :P

That's exactly what I'm talking about!!! Thank you psyman!!! I know it bugs you for people to ask, but with that little update you showed hard work and dedicated efforts for quality, I couldn't ask for a better update!!!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on February 03, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
you should eithwr release it or stop puttin vids out, you moan when people ask i dont blame ya, but of course people will ask you, they hear nothin then you put a video out. youd be shocked if you released avideo and knowone gave a shitt:) keep up the work im lookin forward to the release but just release it when its done dont tease with vids...

I have been waiting on this for quite awhile as well

With that said I don't think anyone should be telling the nulldc team how they should handle the release of their emulators

The majority of their work is voluntary and they recieve no pay for it....

Just be glad they are still working on the emulator. Bringing Nulldc, n64, Saturn or even ps1 to Android is night and day compared to a game boy or nes emu

I am happy that psyman even takes time to mention updates on this thread....stop insulting him else we will hear nothing like we did previously for almost 2 years...

You should see some of the comments people receive from the project 64 community when ports of project 64 are brought up at all....to have psyman and drkraziel working on a port to Android themselves already shows they are willing to work with the Android community quite a bit

http://forum.pj64-emu.com/showthread.php?t=1622

"Project 64 is for windows platform ITS NEVER COMING TO ANDROID"

....
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on February 03, 2013, 05:13:54 PM
BTW Who mentioned project 64 ?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on February 03, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
Im not,  if you read it i said, release when its ready but dont tease people with a vid and moan about  them askin questions.

Implying that the dev who comes here and gives bits of insider information on the Nulldc project and links to not well advertised links on youtube of the most recent gameplay footage is moaning is insulting...

With that said speak for yourself I would like to see hear what they have to say through this thread even if the app is not ready for another 2 years...

I only brought up Project 64 as a comparison...

You search "project 64 on Android" and all you get is that post.

Contrast Nulldc is actually working on the app which is all we can ask

Let's all just keep our 2 cents to ourselves and wait for future updates...if you dont want to hear anything until the app is released then stop checking this thread...I am sure the day it his google play the Android news headlines will be a buzz
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on February 03, 2013, 07:03:17 PM
There are different models of how you manage your project, I don't see a problem about people asking for updates, unless you have told that it's a secret. We all interested and it's logical that some people ask some questions. There was many questions about donations as well. So I don't see any abuse here. If you follow up this project like me, you know it's story, at least psyman knows why some questions have a place. We all hope that guys will finish it up one day, and wish them success. But stodag logic have a point, and what's important is that we all have opinion but not so much dev/user communication which is sad. That's why I've mention ppsspp earlier and Paul was always open to conversation.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on February 03, 2013, 08:23:16 PM
There are different models of how you manage your project, I don't see a problem about people asking for updates, unless you have told that it's a secret. We all interested and it's logical that some people ask some questions. There was many questions about donations as well. So I don't see any abuse here. If you follow up this project like me, you know it's story, at least psyman knows why some questions have a place. We all hope that guys will finish it up one day, and wish them success. But stodag logic have a point, and what's important is that we all have opinion but not so much dev/user communication which is sad. That's why I've mention ppsspp earlier and Paul was always open to conversation.

asking questions isnt a problem

however this thread was starting to turn into a thread of nothing but complaints and remarks about psyman

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on February 12, 2013, 07:31:08 AM
Wait, am I the only one going to have to say it to Stodag? No one...? Ok here I go...! TROLL!!! Trev bought me right at this point:

"With that said speak for yourself I would like to see hear what they have to say through this thread even if the app is not ready for another 2 years...

I only brought up Project 64 as a comparison...

You search "project 64 on Android" and all you get is that post.

Contrast Nulldc is actually working on the app which is all we can ask

Let's all just keep our 2 cents to ourselves and wait for future updates...if you dont want to hear anything until the app is released then stop checking this thread..."

Though you feel that way you can't speak for everyone here, rendering your arguments null and void. As long as me, Trev and many others before you want updates of this, stop trolling. You sound like a ridiculous fool at the end, lmao:

"Anyway post closed for me, its a pitty it wasnt someone else who answered me perhaps i wouldnt be gettin to the point of argueing @trev you know im right...... I asked exactly what you wanted to deep down, i mean really deep down, deeper still ok ye that one :)"

Then stop coming back! LMAO, is that not too hard? Or are you conflicted and continue to contradict yourself because inside you're waiting for updates just like everyone else, that's why you keep commenting. I know I don't have any power over this forum, but go to some other thread since this is closed to you.

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on February 12, 2013, 07:48:14 AM
@Kidam, I agree, we all have opinion. But sadly his opinion is pointless because he constantly contradicts himself by returning here, if he doesn't want to see it, avoid it. There are lots people who avoid teasers, why does he think returning here and telling his opinion of not wanting to see it in a the place where people want to see it. That would be contradicting the function of this thread! That being the case, his statement is his own opinion but a pointless and completely ignored, even Stodag ignores them that's why he returns, at that. Thank you Trev, Psyman, Paul and everyone who made this thread possible and Stodag the moment you respond to my comment you'd already prove my point.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on February 12, 2013, 11:15:54 AM
I thought I'd share my take on this.  It may not be accurate, but posting anyway  ;D

I expect drk is a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to his work.  From my own experience: it is very difficult to bring yourself to initially release something before all your primary goals have been met.  That may seem simple enough, but the fact is that the solution for one goal inevitably takes you down one rabbit hole after another.  You find yourself spending enormous amounts of time on random elements that seem completely irrelevant, but are ultimately needed to achieve some overarching goal.

It may not be obvious from looking at how open I've been with Mupen64Plus AE, but I actually did something very similar to drk with my earlier project (the SoundSystem library).  I had people breathing down my neck for months waiting for one of the major updates (actually a complete re-write of the library) to be released.  Ultimately when I did release it, it was nearly perfect and every goal I initially set out to accomplish with it was achieved.  The library was immediately picked up by the creator of jPCT to use in his game, and then by the developers of Minecraft.  And of course then all the criticism and speculation about the project being abandoned vanished.

We can't know what drk's goals are or how much free time he has for programming, but I'm confident that he will eventually achieve them.  Progress is being made, and that is all you can expect from someone really.

So that's the development side of things.  As for the updates/ premature announcements/ teasing (or however perceived), this is in large part beyond the developer's control.  Again, this is from my experiences with SoundSystem and Mupen64Plus AE, and might not apply here.  Every popular project and its main developer(s) have a community of followers.  A small portion of those followers find their way into a close-knit circle of friends (particularly if they are heavily involved in testing).  Those followers become fiercely supportive and to a certain extent take personal offense when the project is criticized or misrepresented (even when those criticisms are not entirely wrong).  A good example of this is anytime someone brings up the speed or compatibility of N64oid as a way to criticize Mupen64Plus AE, and the regulars here on the forum immediately pounce :)

I suspect both PsyMan and the person who leaked the app fall into this category.  A supporter who feels personally offended at comments about videos being a scam could easily feel justified in leaking an outdated test version before considering the ramifications.  And then after the leak, of course other supporters are going to feel offended when people start criticizing it.  Those supporters will then feel compelled to demonstrate to folks that it is not an accurate representation of the app's progress.  Whether or not these demonstrations are intended to tease folks, drk can no more be held responsible for comments or announcements made by other people than he can for whoever leaked the app in the first place.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on February 12, 2013, 04:22:11 PM
Omg get real.. Of coutse i want updates otherwise i woulnt be here you idiot, also i never meant to offend anyone as i clearly stated.
Also dont call me a troll hiding behind your android....... Now im lmao @psyman gl i stated before i never meant anything by it ill say it agaib gl. To you who likes to have a pop stop kissin arse. I dont know how it got to this point anyway never mind..sry if i offended anyone.
 that goes for anyone i didnt mean to come across like that my bad.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: littleguy on February 12, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
... you idiot, also i never meant to offend anyone ...

You sure have a way with words. :-\   I've seen many of your posts and so I know you're not a troll.  But you sure do type like one.  Please, I would kindly urge you to use a real keyboard before you post again.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on February 13, 2013, 08:13:21 AM
lol yep your right, my bad. I was pissed off though as to why the conversation got that far.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mihai on February 14, 2013, 12:23:55 PM
ok so this is my opinion.

Personally, i dont know why people are upset about the leak. I think it was really a good thing for the developers. Why? Because people were starting to think it was a SCAM! And for good reason. No release in 2 years, only youtube videos that could have been fake. And what about the donations? Who would have donated anymore?

Now, people can test the apk and see its a real thing, not fake. Maybe it is outdated and not working very well, but at least it is better than nothing! There were no releases before this, people had no proof this was actually real. But now they see its real, and maybe they will start donating even more.

Personally i dont know whats all this secret with this emu. Why hold the release till the last day, and not give people some early alpha versions? It is alpha, or beta, people should understand about that, and if they are bitching about the quality, then fuck them, they are retarded, why care about those people.

For example, look at the psp emu, ppsspp. They released the emulator very early, and there were no games playable, just one or two. But people can test other games, make videos etc. Is this a bad thing? I dont get it.
Again, if people dont understand its alpha or beta, they are just stupid.

PS: I am the one who started this thread and posted the apk. I just found the apk on some other site and wanted to SHARE with all. Peace!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 14, 2013, 03:28:12 PM
When are we actually going to see the finished product as I really want to play
Sonic adventure 2
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Evil King Stan on February 14, 2013, 05:20:56 PM
ok so this is my opinion.

Personally, i dont know why people are upset about the leak. I think it was really a good thing for the developers. Why? Because people were starting to think it was a SCAM! And for good reason. No release in 2 years, only youtube videos that could have been fake. And what about the donations? Who would have donated anymore?

Now, people can test the apk and see its a real thing, not fake. Maybe it is outdated and not working very well, but at least it is better than nothing! There were no releases before this, people had no proof this was actually real. But now they see its real, and maybe they will start donating even more.

Personally i dont know whats all this secret with this emu. Why hold the release till the last day, and not give people some early alpha versions? It is alpha, or beta, people should understand about that, and if they are bitching about the quality, then fuck them, they are retarded, why care about those people.

For example, look at the psp emu, ppsspp. They released the emulator very early, and there were no games playable, just one or two. But people can test other games, make videos etc. Is this a bad thing? I dont get it.
Again, if people dont understand its alpha or beta, they are just stupid.

PS: I am the one who started this thread and posted the apk. I just found the apk on some other site and wanted to SHARE with all. Peace!

The best reason I can think of for them not releasing incomplete versions is that drk is a perfectionist. Nothing wrong with that. He just wants something to be indefinitely proud of.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on February 15, 2013, 01:16:25 AM
 I must admit before the leak I wasnt sure that it was real. Even though he is a respected dev, I thought it was not possible, videos just dont do it for me...i want to see it myself working to get the grasp of whats happening a video kind of goes in one eye and out the other.

 And of coarse I would still donate it is coming, he put in so much work to get it in the state in the videos, he'd.be a complete asshat to just keep it.(he isnt)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 15, 2013, 04:57:23 AM
how do you add a joystick to the alpha apk
also i want to start a port of LxDream to android or dolphin gc and wii emu
i do i start a dev team
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 15, 2013, 05:19:38 AM
why aren`t they doing public beta testing, or at least telling us
how to put the joystick on the alpha
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 15, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
What script typos
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on February 15, 2013, 05:06:09 PM
The project is open source so anyone can have a go, but unless you know code it wouldnt be worth trying. Thats why you need a dev to back this.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 16, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
Ok I will ask and I need to find a way of putting this on a kindle fire hd
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 16, 2013, 09:22:33 AM
Another way I could go about it is that I could port the games directly to android
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: xperia64 on February 16, 2013, 09:53:01 AM
What script typos
Just download lxdream's source, find the android build script, run it, and you'll see what I mean
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: BobCat on February 18, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
I know this is off topic but does anyone want to give
Away any retro games consoles for free as I kind of need a couple
I don't care if they are broke I can fix most consoles
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jose325i on February 21, 2013, 05:11:28 PM
Porting lxdream to android would be a waste of time imo. It runs slower on my mac than the alpha nulldce does on my phone! It probably needs an insane amount of work, even the bios does not run over 50% speed.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: supream222 on March 12, 2013, 08:34:44 AM
Anyone hear any more news on this yet?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on March 13, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
I have a new found respect for devs... look at henrik and ppsspp how far along thats come in to months. imo thats due tothe open comunity etc just wish nulldc team could share thier work but its their project and have their own ideas:) imo it would be easier for compatibilty etc but due to the leak they have lost all trust in them. I just hope we see something from them as i have it pc and its very good so who know we can only hope :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on March 16, 2013, 01:24:33 AM
Huh, that's funny because I had a new found respect for Devs, thanks to Paul. Honestly, coming here was my first time interacting with a Dev in the first place. At first, because I grew up to emulation, I took the concept merely for granted, not realizing obviously it requires time to optimize and code. The funny thing is I knew that things required worked to be done then, yet it never crossed my mind when it came to emulation. I thought it was done the moment it's made (I know stupid, right?), nothing in the middle. I say that because my first emulator I was introduced to growing up was Zsnes for the PC and it was flawless then, no complaint. Afterwards, emulation got more complex with Nulldc and Project 64 because my PC had awful hardware then. As time progressed I discovered mobile emulation on the worst OS for it, Windows Mobile... Soon I upgrade to Android (My true love!) and my emulation experience forever changed. Still naive though, I encountered Yabause, AE and decided to break from my shell and interact with the community here. I struggled with Yabause, AE and was confused because I never experienced alpha/beta emulation and I was whiny about it's issues. However, as I realized after Paul decided to put it on hold, this awesome guy worked his hardest producing a new emulation for us ALL! Though it sounds arrogant, I feel responsible for pressuring and not encouraging him with his hard work and dedication to something so innovative... If there was anyone I learned from through emulation, it would be Paul and his generosity in producing Yabause, AE. Thanks Paul! And Thanks for Mupen64+, AE!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on March 16, 2013, 03:08:04 AM
Thanks for the kind words, OnijJoku.

I have to be honest that I really did very little with regards to Yabause AE.  The extent of my work was adding on-screen buttons, and working with Guillaume and Ari64 to figure out how to build the code they wrote (they are the ones who deserve the credit)  I only started that project after hearing crualfoxhound (one of Yongzh's testers) was asking about it.  I thought Yongzh's next emulator was going to be the Saturn, and was feeling competitive.  In hind sight this was not the best move (it's difficult enough to keep up with one big project)

I am more comfortable taking credit for the work I've put into making Mupen64Plus AE happen.  But don't forget it has always been a team effort.. and merely a port of an awesome emulator that many other talented folks have put far more work into than I have.  Even with the AE port itself, there are many other devs besides me who spent large amounts of time and effort, who don't get the recognition.  I definitely have a huge respect for people like drk who are able to by themselves tackle an enormous task like porting NullDC to Android.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on March 16, 2013, 04:29:37 AM
Don't be so modest, still you worked with development and I went to this forum to get your help. However, I agree, there are other devs that deserve plenty of praise in placing their dedication on emulation. They do deserve my utmost gratitude! You devs are too generous for words...
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on March 17, 2013, 08:20:44 AM
Same here, I apologize too... I should of realized that at the end of the we're all winners because of the kindness of these Devs! So all of us has the right to express our personal concerns of what these Devs up to, how we feel about it. Hey, we're only human.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on April 10, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
Ok maybe this might have happened and I must of missed it, but on market I've notice how there have been scammers selling replication of emulators like NDS4Droid, PSP and even Mupen64+ here and there with new names. However, how come there isn't anyone opportunistic enough to do that to the leaked release of Nulldce? I know I'm being really stupid by saying this out loud, but it's kind of confounding when ya think about it. Seriously, someone could come right here or on any site with the link to it and just do what I said. What are the scammers waiting for? For Drk and Psy to post the real thing up, than post their scam? (I'm posting this because it feels like this is kind of a dead thread and maybe someone could enlighten me because scammers usually don't care, right...?)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on April 10, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
I don't think the scammers really do a lot of research.  Case in point, you could find copies of Mupen64Plus AE on various pirating sites before I published the free version on Google Play, even though the app was already freely available here.  There is even evidence in the crash reporting system of someone trying to decompile the app (as if they don't realize it is already fully opensource and one of the easiest apps to build). My guess is the folks who are into that sort of thing don't know about NullDCe, and won't until it is officially published on Google Play.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on April 10, 2013, 06:33:00 PM
Dont you need the source code along with the apk to publish an app?

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on April 10, 2013, 06:46:02 PM
Dont you need the source code along with the apk to publish an app?

No, you just need to have a unique package name and digital signature.  This can be done without the source code by acquiring the original APK (can use a backup program for that, or with a rooted device if the app is protected), unpacking it (APK format is just ZIP, and can be easily unzipped) decompiling the Java bytecode into .java files with a dex editor, tweaking a few things to make it look a little different (optional), recreating the manifest with a new package name, repackaging the APK (with modified resources and the original native libraries if there are any), and signing with a new digital signature.

Of course it is far easier to copy an app if the source code is available (which is why Mupen64Plus AE has been copied many many more times than N64oid has).
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on April 10, 2013, 10:31:38 PM
Here's crazy world news: dolphin, GameCube and wii emulator pre-alpha was released, it's there in a play store. That's what nulldc should have been like, pre-alpha, pre-era-alpha-beta - doesnt matter it's there for community, sure kids might rate it low or some idiots would be trying to copy/sale , but process has started, if Rayan will release donation version (he told somewhere he needed galaxy s4, due to openGl es 3 drivers) I'll be donating, like I've donated to Henrik with his ppsspp gold version and to Paul.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on April 11, 2013, 01:13:19 AM
I don't think the scammers really do a lot of research.  Case in point, you could find copies of Mupen64Plus AE on various pirating sites before I published the free version on Google Play, even though the app was already freely available here.  There is even evidence in the crash reporting system of someone trying to decompile the app (as if they don't realize it is already fully opensource and one of the easiest apps to build). My guess is the folks who are into that sort of thing don't know about NullDCe, and won't until it is officially published on Google Play.

Thanks that makes since. However, I'm confused by their ignorance, how come they don't know that this opensource, weird... Well, that's just one of those things, I guess. Thanks again Paul for the information, and I hope this madness will somehow get controlled.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: littleguy on April 11, 2013, 07:28:09 AM
... I'm confused by their ignorance, how come they don't know that this opensource, weird...

It never even crosses their mind that an emulator of this quality could be open source ;D  You have to assume they have a get-rich-quick mentality and probably can't comprehend an alternative world view...

There's also language barriers, etc. and I get the feeling that many of the clones are released by people who know just enough about programming to insert ads, change a few icons and text, etc.... Not serious developers.  Definitely not enough skill to address the technical issues facing the real devs in an alpha product.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on April 11, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
... I'm confused by their ignorance, how come they don't know that this opensource, weird...

It never even crosses their mind that an emulator of this quality could be open source ;D  You have to assume they have a get-rich-quick mentality and probably can't comprehend an alternative world view...

There's also language barriers, etc. and I get the feeling that many of the clones are released by people who know just enough about programming to insert ads, change a few icons and text, etc.... Not serious developers.  Definitely not enough skill to address the technical issues facing the real devs in an alpha product.

Ahh... Language barriers could be somewhat responsible for the conflict, you can't build off of something you couldn't understand. Then I could understand that one could get overly eager to make money, to the point that they wouldn't try the most productive/practical alternative for emulation development. For example just provide ads instead of updating the coding to produce efficient gaming. However, I can't blame the users that use ads though... They need some type of financial investment from their project... Thank you for your explanation as well.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on April 18, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
Android needs this emu... please please continue with your good work.. I know its hard to ignore shit heads like me talkin crapp.. once again i appologise.I hope i havnt messed it up for everyone else :( Then again i aint that important :) wrongly worded i know, my bad again sry psyman if your still there.. Hope you read this ignore my post before and dont let it detare you from postin here because of me.... i dont exist lol. im a hair on my dads nutsack.....
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on April 19, 2013, 08:57:48 PM
Lmao, dude, there is nothing we can do right now... It's clear that they're not ready to release this emulator yet. It's no ones fault but fate, for the team producing this want to provide us the very best and fear to disappoint/displeasing us. If anything, they want to ensure our satisfaction. If they desire to make this emulator near top at it's performance, so be it... It's all up to them now. The biggest thing I've learned about devs is the fact that they're all individuals. With separate optimizing strategies and different plans of release of when to release it. Since I'm no dev, I have no clue if there is a right or wrong way to do this. I have my preferences, but to be honest, I know for a fact they mean little because they have a huge crowd of gamers to think of. So please don't worry and I hope my comment consoled a little.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on April 19, 2013, 11:33:45 PM
yep thx i agree, i just feel a tad stupid makin that post before then bumlickin lol.. knowones a bigger dreamcast than me ....imo :) so also a tad selfish ie hope i havnt messed it up for myself we all make mistakes :) all i can do is appollogise ( pardon he grammer aha) but yeah thx for the understandin, you could of easily gone on one after my rant but lke i said we all make mistakes... anyhow thx :) We still live in hope ahaha
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on May 03, 2013, 12:14:48 AM
Cheer up! I hope this give you at least a little more hope :). It'll be here in no time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XygiP-Jc0Qw
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on May 03, 2013, 05:40:24 PM
That title was a little misleading, he us using the previously leaked version with a different .gdi. Nice music though and I like anything related to nulldce! Is there any news besides this? Anyway im upgrading to a galaxy s4 very soon and am looking foward to testing the leak and fantasize about it
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on May 04, 2013, 12:06:13 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I changed the title, however my description says it was the leaked version. Also, about the music, thanks, I try my best. Sadly, I only made this vid in commemoration of this emulator since it's been a while since someone post anything about it. Also, I seen no vid of Evolution being so I decided to make this for that as well.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on May 07, 2013, 12:45:36 AM
My bad, I didnt know the game was called the evolution. It is a lot clearer now though the 1.0 and the evolution threw me off....
Cant wait to see if theres any improvement with a s4 as the code stands, I was gonna go in the att store and asked if they had any since my upgrade is due. But im not sure there even out yet
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on May 07, 2013, 01:04:13 AM
I assume you probably heard of this already, but a dolphin for android is in market. I can't test it since it requires a high end device, Android 4.0 and a OpenGL ES 3.0. (For example, an S4 type specs). So if you ever want to give that a go, check it out. It's at 0.2 right now but it'll definitely get better. (I know this is off subject, but just wanted to let ya know). Also, I see where the confusion was at now, "Evolution" does make it sound like I was making a video of the emulator progressing. I thought the "1.0" threw you off alone because that confused me, I assumed the emu was below that. Hope you enjoy your emulation experience on your S4. Though Dolphin isn't no NullDCe, it's something worth looking into.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Vincentmrl on May 07, 2013, 02:19:41 PM
I assume you probably heard of this already, but a dolphin for android is in market. I can't test it since it requires a high end device, Android 4.0 and a OpenGL ES 3.0. (For example, an S4 type specs). So if you ever want to give that a go, check it out. It's at 0.2 right now but it'll definitely get better. (I know this is off subject, but just wanted to let ya know). Also, I see where the confusion was at now, "Evolution" does make it sound like I was making a video of the emulator progressing. I thought the "1.0" threw you off alone because that confused me, I assumed the emu was below that. Hope you enjoy your emulation experience on your S4. Though Dolphin isn't no NullDCe, it's something worth looking into.
You can still use dolphin, but it will be extremely slow because of the opengl version. I just hope they try to put support to 2.0 since little games could run on our devices too.
Also can't wait to play SA2 on my phone! The more emus, the merrier
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on May 08, 2013, 08:36:38 AM
Cheers to that my emulation enjoying friend!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jose325i on May 10, 2013, 12:31:07 PM
I'm really excited about dolphin on android. If they can make some optimizations, it will make for tons of fun on the galaxy s6 or 7 because Dolphin is a very power-hungry emulator. NullDc was already much more optimized to begin with, and with all the new development is actually viable on today's (and even yesterday's) devices.

Anyone tested the Nulldce apk on a galaxy s4/htc One? I wonder how the snapdragon 600 would help things out. I know on Dolphin it can run starfield demo at twice the speed of older phones, and that's with the painfully slow software renderer.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on May 14, 2013, 07:53:40 PM
Just just got my galaxy s4 today, is a major improvement over my Xperia Play. First thing I tried as nulldC,and it's more than twice as fast. It used to take 5-6second for the game clock to go down one second. Now it is 2 seconds real life for the games clock to countdown one second. It seems like it's going full speed, amazing!

one problem is the game pad comes up in the center of the screen, making it unplayable...
is there anyway to decompile the Apk and change the gamepad resolution?

(http://i.imgur.com/f1SxHYD.png)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: nwbballplayer45 on May 19, 2013, 01:14:33 AM
So has anyone heard anything new? It shouldn't be too much of a problem asking right? Considering it has been months since we've really gotten any information regarding the emulator. Not to mention that the videos (the ones earlier in the thread that Psy posted) haven't been available for some time now, which is unfortunate mainly because they always offered a glimmer of hope :/.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on May 20, 2013, 06:35:53 AM
Anyone has the nulldc edited apk so for HD screens?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on May 20, 2013, 10:15:19 PM
I would like the wvga\hvga version as well. It was hosted here

http://db.tt/3bj6zgQz

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on May 21, 2013, 06:13:07 PM
I got it from sonebody! But the forum 404 me when I try to post the link???

Anyway fixes the gamepad on my galaxy s4. Still a bit small but in proper position

Edit: Here
http://wikisend.com/download/436288/nullDCe.zip
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on May 22, 2013, 01:42:12 AM
Thanks same in experia z but already much better
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on May 22, 2013, 04:36:54 AM
Shame that the developer never released a updated version this is running great on xperia z, will they ever give New info about this?

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on June 02, 2013, 02:52:31 AM
I got it from sonebody! But the forum 404 me when I try to post the link???

Anyway fixes the gamepad on my galaxy s4. Still a bit small but in proper position

Edit: Here
http://wikisend.com/download/436288/nullDCe.zip

You got it from me lol prodigits
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on June 02, 2013, 08:27:24 PM
Haha thanks for the quick reply to my pm. I had pretty much  given up hope after googling many terms for like an hour. Much better layout almost playable, though quite infuriating mispressing
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: synplex on June 18, 2013, 10:18:48 PM
So I see no one has mention NullDC running on a Ouya. So I'll ask, does anyone have a apk I can test on my Ouya?
Do you guys think'll work?

Thx
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on June 20, 2013, 08:29:02 AM
Tegra 3 devices are currently bellow the minimum requirements.

This might change using a very efficient software renderer.

The emulator currently works on those devices but the GeForce is not up to the task. The image output is corrupted beyond repair.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on June 20, 2013, 03:24:01 PM
Great to hear from you PsyMan! Also, that's some hardcore news. Would you advice Geforce device users to get a new device if they want Nulldce or wait til it works because you guys are gonna eventually fix this, however, it may take a long while? Also, after you find an efficient software renderer, what else do think needs to be done for this emulator? Sorry for all these questions, I'm just so excited to see some news!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on June 20, 2013, 04:10:07 PM
Great to hear from you PsyMan! Also, that's some hardcore news. Would you advice Geforce device users to get a new device if they want Nulldce or wait til it works because you guys are gonna eventually fix this, however, it may take a long while? Also, after you find an efficient software renderer, what else do think needs to be done for this emulator? Sorry for all these questions, I'm just so excited to see some news!

I wouldn't advise anything. Keep your current hardware or change it if you wish. Do not rely on the progress of the project.

The project is still work in progress with no set goals and no definite requirements. Even the in-house requirements are subject to change.


In my previous post I merely stated that the GeForce on Tegra 3 is heavily underpowered for proper hardware accelerated PowerVR emulation. (16bit Fixed depth, compared to 32bit Float on PVR). I can't say that you can do that without specific game fixes, which is not ideal for an emulator.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on June 20, 2013, 08:15:15 PM
Ok, make sense, sorry for the odd questions. (I'm just excited to hear news about this!) However, "heavily underpowered"... That's a bit melancholy to hear, well... At least you're being honest. I hope you'll optimized the right software renderer. If only I could actually help, the only thing I know about coding/emulation/optimizing is the fact that it's hard to do, lmao! Thanks for the response!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: razor84 on June 28, 2013, 04:45:18 AM
Hi, anyone heard anything new about this emu ?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: supream222 on June 28, 2013, 08:32:37 AM
Nope only new info is psymans last post on june 20th. Still a work in progress.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: razor84 on June 28, 2013, 10:39:39 AM
oh.. ok thx, can't wait:)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on June 28, 2013, 02:44:19 PM
Tegra 3 devices are currently bellow the minimum requirements.

This might change using a very efficient software renderer.

The emulator currently works on those devices but the GeForce is not up to the task. The image output is corrupted beyond repair.

Then the video plugin must've been changed. I remember seeing THPS running on a Tegra 2, not Tegra 3, at near full speed on drk's youtube channel. It ran exceptionally well on the first dual core device, apart from some garbage graphics under the skater.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on June 28, 2013, 11:02:24 PM
That build was targeting specifically Tegra 2. It could be patched around single game issues to have it look good.

Unfortunately this approach covers only a single platform (the Tegra 2 in the above case) and a single game (Tony Hawk in the above case).

Too bad that this is not a single game port targeting specific hardware. As a result you're bound to encounter different issues depending on your hardware.

To give an example, if you run a Dreamcast emulator for PC on a Geforce 2, a Geforce 7600, a Radeon 9600 and a Radeon HD 3600 then every single one of them will produce different results, with the newer cards not always performing better than some older ones.

On android it's far worse. The video drivers are worse than on windows. The audio back-end limits you a lot. Image scaling is too expensive, making devices with high resolution screens perform badly, without the developer being able to do something about it.
On devices with different hardware you have different results. Even on the same device you have different results depending on the Android version you run.
You run Android 2? Sound is broken beyond repair. Android 3? Audio is fine but look at those graphical errors. Android 4? Everything sounds and looks fine.. oh look, speed became 3 times slower.

I could go on forever, but hopefully yo get the idea.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: mmxii on June 29, 2013, 06:14:57 AM
I gotcha now :) thanks for that. Will it ever get released? I know, it's done when it's done but it's hard not to be interested in this, it's a very exciting project. I guess sometimes the journey to the finish is just as fun as reaching the finish itself. I'd love to donate to drk and anyone working on this, if possible.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on June 30, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
The donations probably go to a fund that’s just used to buy things for the project rather than being profit for the developers. I guess nulldc wasn't supposed to be open source project, no gpl licence, it's written from the scratch. I just wish guys will finish it one day and release it on play market with a profitable price and we could say thanks buying it.

Speaking about "rich" I would think about fpse success, it's also not an open source project, it also has long story back to windows mobile days and it's also being developed by two guys.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: razor84 on July 04, 2013, 03:40:06 PM
will this run a decent speed on single core when fully optimised?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on July 05, 2013, 05:21:27 AM
Hmm... well, if it's a Cortex A15 at 2GHz then yeah, even a single core will be enough. As for A7 and A9, I can't say it will. You never know though.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: razor84 on July 05, 2013, 06:35:12 AM
oh ok, thx psyman.. :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on July 13, 2013, 06:37:05 AM
What a scam, look at ppsspp and all the effort developers plus users made in one year. Nulldce had great potential but i dont expect anything. No single video update, no testers on to test with diff. CPU\GPU combo. Good luck to the developer(s)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on July 13, 2013, 03:25:12 PM
It still does have great potential.. ya can bet your ass theyr puttin effort into this to.
The project was reopened last august after the leak... We need to be patient.. its not gonna happen over night.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: OnijJoku on July 13, 2013, 04:26:51 PM
I couldn't have put it in better words myself! Besides, calling it a scam is not helping. Just wait it out! Not only that, but if this was a scam, I'd expect Psyman to stop giving updates a long time ago. But appear he didn't, so jumping to such a conclusion seems flawed. (I could be wrong, I'm only human. There are other possibilities...) But me, Stodag and many others are not doubting this project.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Vincentmrl on July 13, 2013, 09:00:18 PM
why comparing a dreamcast emu to a psp emu, they're different consoles so there's emulation difficulty differences and remember the dreamcast will be harder to emulate (and developers aren't releasing this until it's good enough else people will start complaining)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on July 14, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
PsyMan, is development still in progress? If yes who's working on it, is it just you on your own? Are there any closed tests with different devices?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on July 14, 2013, 07:24:00 PM
It's drk who's working on the code, not me. I just debug here and there and patch when possible. drk also had to get his hands on a few different devices to check the program behavior on them. The results were... underwhelming to say the least.


There's no fixed pace on how the development progresses. This means that there's always some progress. Unfortunately it also means that we have no idea about the time the app will be in a releasable shape.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on July 15, 2013, 03:13:24 PM
PsyMan, that's answers a lot, have you considered for the moment taking it as it is to playstore and named it alpha, or pre-alpha, to get some financial support? I mean it's like two guys working and coding, must be all the free time spending on it... At least that demo which you've posted earlier.. if you'll have a chance tell drk that he have supporters, not  just consumers :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: asturias3636 on July 16, 2013, 12:17:07 PM
hello. Does anyone know if the project continues NullDC and if someday be released?. would be a luxury in mobile Dreamcast. :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: asamsharaz on July 17, 2013, 06:57:51 AM
This is brilliant new!!! one day I may be able to play shenmue on my galaxy s3!!! woohooo!!!
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: asturias3636 on July 17, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
I hope to give nullDC watch it too. They have to put a pre-alpha in google play for donations or view the progress ...
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: asamsharaz on July 22, 2013, 05:45:20 AM
Can't wait for this emulator.... been waiting long time   :-[
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on July 22, 2013, 11:46:34 AM
Lets wait another 3 years yeah
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: asamsharaz on July 23, 2013, 11:27:14 AM
no....... :'(
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on July 23, 2013, 04:09:05 PM
Stodog dont take offense to this as its good to see this thread bumped no and then. But could you stop double and triple posting and edit a single post instead. Sometimes your replys will take 25% or more of a page. And you pretty much know about if as much as the next guy ie nothing new to add but interest.

Anyway ill wait 3 more years as the other option is to accept that it is not being developed anymore. I have to admit though I go through phases of being ok with no real detailed updates and videos that just tease, and othertimes im like "wth is this dudes problem"haha

Of course he has no problem and the emu is not up to snuff for him. After I heard that the thps was a "hack" targeted at the test device, ive started to think its not as far along as I thought and he isnt holding anything back from the users without the intent to release

Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: dreamcastnulldcandroid on August 08, 2013, 05:33:10 PM
Im posting on the behalf on anyone who played shenmue as a teen, spent countless hours online finding/remembering the name of it, dl'd 5-10 nulldc files which are not compatible with yours' or my device(s), read every and any thread seeking how to format the memory card, and even downgraded sw in attempt of writing to the internal memory via random yt video comment (YOU CANT WRITE TO THE INTERNAL MEMORY OF AN ANDROID DEVICE.) Well, kudos to us,and for those people who are not us, i encourage you to post your experience as well, im sure every bit of detail is helpful in the development of this long awaited project.

My specs: LG Viper, ICS 4.0. im clearly not a "gamer" although i joined this community in hopes of broadening the expanse of the project. i have ran shenmue on my android phone. however, i am unable to actually play it. the long, grueling intro plays and it lags/slow at times, purple spikey glich, in reference to an earlier post. the problem where i cant play i believe lies within the memory card issue. let me explain.

1. save disc to mnt. of sd card (figured this out with trial and error)
2. open and start nulldc
3. shenmue menu screen appears
4. load game option-start without saving?
5. exit game
6. remove disc files from mnt.
7. open and start nulldc
8. open files and format memory card/erase data(tried a, then a+b)
9. exit nulldc
10. replace disc files, reopen nulldc
11. same as step 4

The emulator doesnt save the settings of the memory card, how could it save progress?
via nulldc-alpha-0,1.apk
my regards to rz and drk
i would gladly pay for an android dreamcast emulator.....
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: jaikben on August 14, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
Any update haha
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Aneudi_PR on September 08, 2013, 09:51:23 AM
Is Tegra 4 on the Nvidia Shield sufficient to run Droidcast because psyman said that Tetra 3's Geforce was heavily underpowered.  Has anyone tested the nulldce alpha on the shield.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on September 22, 2013, 08:09:45 AM
PsyMan, there was a guy who posted message on different forums about helping with development, he said that droidcast dev. (I suppose drk or you) need help with development. Could you comment this? If confirmed I know at least two guys who might want to help you with development, both top developers behind well known emulators
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on September 28, 2013, 03:27:34 PM
Lol, there is Italian guy on youtube with deleted droidcast footage claiming that's his team is developing emulator. Basically standard scum, he has a link to his website in the video description, he's also asking ppl to spread the word all over the web. Some people communicate with him suggesting him to ask Paul for help with developing:)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on September 28, 2013, 04:09:58 PM
yes, he's also using the same video psyman and drk put on YouTube before....
iv just left him a comment letting him know how lame it is..
If anyone out there besides drk and psyman was developing a DC emu, we would have  heard about it.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Kidam on September 29, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
he's deleting comments, basically he tricks people to promote website.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: amdradeon on September 30, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
God I following this project, but damn if its not worth it in the end(there will be a end right?)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: razor84 on October 08, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Any news, something that can give us a glimmer of hope?
been waiting for ages for this project..
emulation has hit a dead end.. pls any news? thx.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on December 17, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
OK, it's up.

http://reicast.com/

Have phun!

PS: It's still pre-alpha quality! It will have better options, UI, etc with newer versions.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: supream222 on December 18, 2013, 08:02:24 AM
Looks great psyman! Only thing is the analog stick only shows up on half of my screen but im sure that will be fixed in some settings later if we can move controls around. Keep it up guys!

Merry christmas!  :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on December 18, 2013, 08:40:56 AM
Thx PsyMan, just when I least expected it lol.. marry Xmas buddy( I'm well chuffed) :) thx again.. one question, why is it free? I'd gladly pay..
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on December 18, 2013, 08:57:11 AM
It's free cause it would be free anyway. It's our policy. We also decided to use some open source parts on it so their license would prevent us from keeping the source closed unless we wrote our own (arm interpreter, some bits from older nulldc here and there).


We would also add a paid version on google code along with the free one (without any changes between them) like the Dolphin guys do, but selling apps on google code is not supported where we live.

We might set up some form of crowd funding however, for those who really want to support the project.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on December 18, 2013, 09:34:09 AM
Ok, im havin trouble finding the sub folder to place bios etc, i have 2 phones, dual core a9 & a5 sd card/date/dc etc cant finf it on either phone?!? any help thx.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on December 18, 2013, 09:39:36 AM
Always great to see more open source projects (this wasn't one I was expecting to be, considering the initial closed development).  When you guys have a way to donate to the project, I'll be first in line, and spread the word.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: scorpio16v on December 18, 2013, 11:56:10 AM
@ stodag

You must create /dc/data yourself and put the correct renamed files in it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/yj5BkdMEvks

The gamepad layout isn't optimal and I haven't figured out how to map gamepad buttons to the emulator's button layout.
But it runs amazingly good with clear sound.  :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: xperia64 on December 18, 2013, 04:27:16 PM
Sadly I couldn't get Half-Life to run :P :
Code: [Select]
I/newdc   ( 9066): <*******>MMU Enabled , OLNY SQ remaps work<*******>
I/newdc   ( 9066): ldtlb 0/0
I/newdc   ( 9066): MEM remap 0 : 0x5800 to 0xC12D800
I/newdc   ( 9066): Get MemPtr not suported area ; addr=0x5B90
I/newdc   ( 9066): Error in jni/../jni/../../../newdc/hw/holly/sb_mem.cpp:WriteB
ios:61  -> Write to  [Boot ROM] is not possible, addr=c,data=8c026390,size=2
I/newdc   ( 9066): Verify Failed  : !(state.cpu.is_delayslot && OpDesc[op]->SetP
C())
I/newdc   ( 9066):  in dec_DecodeBlock -> jni/../jni/../../../newdc/hw/sh4/dyna/
decoder.cpp : 1096
I/newdc   ( 9066): SIGSEGV @ fault_handler+0x00010498 ... 00000000 -> was not in
 vram
I/newdc   ( 9066): Fatal error : segfault
I/newdc   ( 9066):  in fault_handler -> jni/../jni/../../../newdc/linux/common.c
pp : 66
I/ActivityManager(  601): Process com.reicast.emulator (pid 9066) has died.
I/WindowState(  601): WIN DEATH: Window{4248df58 u0 com.reicast.emulator/com.rei
cast.emulator.MainActivity}
W/ActivityManager(  601): Force removing ActivityRecord{42161878 u0 com.reicast.
emulator/.GL2JNIActivity}: app died, no saved state
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on December 18, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
Oh right, forgot to mention that mmu is not supported (only sq remaps work). So games like hl2, sega rally, worms, bust a move, tomb raider, etc will not work.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: razor84 on December 19, 2013, 05:21:30 AM
thanks guys, will there be frameskipp in future?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on December 19, 2013, 12:35:13 PM
Source code is out too now :)

https://github.com/reicast
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on December 19, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
Awesome.  The readme mentions that you all hate folks forking for the purpose of adapting or porting.  How would you all prefer developers to contribute-- would you add them to the project's contributers, or just work off local branches and submit pull requests?  Just curious what your normal work flow will be for incorporating work from devs outside the team.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: skmp on December 19, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
Pull requests would be fine for one-off / new people. After a commit or two I think it makes more sense to add someone to the project.

(also, Hello there!)

*edit*

How about we also get rid of that leaked apk?
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: Paul on December 19, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
Pull requests would be fine for one-off / new people. After a commit or two I think it makes more sense to add someone to the project.

Cool, I haven't looked at the code yet, but I was thinking some of the input stuff that Littleguy did such a great job on could benefit the reicast Android app.  I'll take a look at it when I have some time.

How about we also get rid of that leaked apk?

Done
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: beansta on December 19, 2013, 02:14:52 PM
Looking good ;) well i played the only 2 games i own still and ripped (am planning to get another dreamcast again sometime) and MvC2 works amazingly well and sonic adventure 2 runs full speed but suffers with horrible graphics breaks every other second or so. But still to be able to bash around with the hulk on the old fighter is well worth it.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: littleguy on December 20, 2013, 02:57:39 PM
Cool, I haven't looked at the code yet, but I was thinking some of the input stuff that Littleguy did such a great job on could benefit the reicast Android app.

@skmp, @PsyMan - If you guys need any help with input devices, please don't hesitate to contact me.  I've become a bit of an expert on all the quirks of most controllers on the market today, and I have about a dozen different models to test on, including moga, ouya, and xperia play.  Start a thread, send me a PM, or contact me through my github account (littleguy77).  It would be my pleasure. :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: hackf0rce on December 21, 2013, 06:03:17 AM
I would love to congratulate Psyman on getting the emulator out to the public, the interface is great and the speed is considerably good, I will be getting a new phone very soon and reliving my childhood :D

Good luck with reicast :)
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: hackf0rce on December 21, 2013, 06:04:40 AM
I would love to congratulate Psyman on getting the emulator out to the public, the interface is great and the speed is considerably good, I will be getting a new phone very soon and reliving my childhood :D

Good luck with reicast :)

Oh and Drk as well, sorry.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: scorpio16v on December 21, 2013, 11:20:16 AM
Tested some games on LG G2, connected on TV with Sony Sixaxis BT Gamepad. All on alpha r5.

Giga Wings:
http://www.youtube.com/v/KQuY-En9uRU

Sonic Adventure:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ig_wB9IF-0A

Shenmue (with graphic problems on r5)

http://www.youtube.com/v/9GWgMVZFd_I

Rayman II:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DXX2DTTlb8U

And at least some minutes of gameplay on Crazy Taxi:
On Ouya, the game has flickering and sometimes black polygons on background. On G2, it looks much better.

http://www.youtube.com/v/DeuGBMcXQWg

So, for now, I should better stop spamming this board with my stupid videos.  ;D
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: stodag on December 21, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Cool, thx for uploadin.

Do you have the problem on shenmue where the app force closes as you walk outside? If not maybe a bad dump for me.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: scorpio16v on December 21, 2013, 12:05:13 PM
Sorry, as you can see, my device shows only graphic artifacts, so Shenmue is unplayable for me.
I never had a Dreamcast and no DC emulation experience since release of reicast.
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: trev186 on December 25, 2013, 03:01:35 PM
Ok so I just finished testing around 200 games

Good news is I only have found 5 games that do not work which I know are good rips.

basic the gist of my post here is that 99% of all dreamcast games will at least boot and are somewhat playable in Reicast. From my exp if u dont make it past the Sega logo then it is most likely a bad rip or you are using a scene release.

I am not going to elaborate on specific gfx issues for each game but have some tips for people struggling to get their games to work.

1. CDI files do work but if the if cdi is in caps then reicast will not recgnize it...needs to be lower case ".cdi"

2. Scene releases by Echleon and others who replace some of the games binaries with little songs and name plates instead of the default Sega screen will not work. I only had a few of these for unreleased DC games such as Half Life. Presumably if you fix the binaries then the games should work. I found a Half Life Rip that is unaltered and am going to test it shortly. I would link but it is against the rules

3. Almost every game works most all will make it past the dreamcast logo and sega logos. If that occurs and you get a freeze at say the games loading screen or the start screen then it isn't a rip issue it is an emulation issue. For example Gauntlet Legends works for me on NullDC on my PC but in Reicast it freezes at the "Gauntlet Legends Loading screen". The rip is fine and I tested my rip 3 different ways in both CDI and GDI formats and it made no difference. On the other hand if anyone else can get Gauntlet legends to work please let me know so I can look at my rip again but I am confident it is correctly done.

4. There are a few games whose screens go black after the Sega Logo but are still working : Omikron the Nomad Soul being one of them. I know the rip is good cause it works on NullDc and cause the sound and button presess in Reicast are working. Just some gfx issue with that game makes everything black (again if anyone has had Omikron boot in reicast please share how you did the rip with me)

5. Finally here is a list of games I cannot get to boot in reicast: Culdcept II, Psyvariar 2, Slave Zero, Starlancer. I believe the rips are good but they freeze at the Sega Logo so it may just be my rip or a compatibility issue that just stops the emulation at that point.



Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: scorpio16v on December 30, 2013, 09:28:35 AM
If you have the games in .gdi format, you can reduce the image size with the tool chdman.

A short explanation here:

http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/15211-reicast-dreamcast-emulator/page-5#entry301676

for example:
Game: 18 Wheeler - American Pro Trucker v1.500 (2001)(Sega)(NTSC)(US)[!].gdi

was round about 1.2 GB

size reduced with chdman is only 241.1MB

The result on other games will differ, but it's a nice option to save space on your device.
If your computer runs OS X, you need to install the SDL framework.
http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/15211-reicast-dreamcast-emulator/?p=301772
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: xperia64 on February 28, 2014, 08:30:51 AM
Half-Life still crashes in r6. Interestingly with both the dynarec and interpreter, guess I don't know too much about how Dreamcast emulation works :P
Title: Re: NullDCe apk
Post by: PsyMan on February 28, 2014, 05:02:34 PM
Half Life uses the MMU. We don't support that. Not going to run for the next few years either.

That's it. :P